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topic posted Sat, February 12, 2005 - 10:11 PM by  Rae
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hi there! I just joined.

so who here is attending CCA(C dammit!) right now? I'm majoring in fashion and mixing with something else, but that something else keeps changing.....
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Rae
offline Rae
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  • Re: hi

    Sat, February 12, 2005 - 10:14 PM
    Howdy, rae!

    I *wish* were attending right now. Dropping out in the late '80s is one of the biggest regrets I have. I'm doubtful I could get enough financial aid to do it now. How are you liking it?
    • Re: hi

      Sat, February 12, 2005 - 11:13 PM
      im loving it. I'm first year, living only on loans (oofa).

      i do regret that they have so few academics. I'm really surprised they dont have language classes, actually. I miss my Spanish!
      • Re: hi

        Sat, February 12, 2005 - 11:14 PM
        wow. my phrasing in that last post was awful.. let me try again


        i wish they had more REAL academics instead of pretend math classes. I have so many things I want to learn and I don't want to go to community college for them...
        • Re: hi

          Sat, February 12, 2005 - 11:22 PM
          Odd. I never took the breadth courses in the short time I was there (I already had a BA from UCLA), but I remember the catalog looking like the breadth classes were for real. Of course, this was in 88- 89 or so.
          • Re: hi

            Sat, February 12, 2005 - 11:26 PM
            ah well.

            i will take classes over the summer so that I feel like I leave college knowing more than just art.

            But yes. I love it. DESPITE the stupid name change *grumble grumble* the other cca (california culinary academy) is 3 blocks from the SF campus.... good planning.
        • Re: hi

          Sat, February 19, 2005 - 12:31 AM
          >> i wish they had more REAL academics instead of pretend math classes. I have so many things I want to learn and I don't want to go to community college for them... <<

          I think the joint degree program with USF has been discontinued, but I do still know people at school who are in it. You might want to inquire about what would be involved in registering for classes there.

          Also, you can make individual arrangements to take just about any class you want at just about any other school you want, and if your advisor approves it in the right circumstances, you can apply it towards some of your degree requirements. Obviously, language courses would just be extra electives.

          Wendy
      • Re: hi

        Mon, February 14, 2005 - 9:05 PM
        I missed the languages at CCA too. :-P

        And yes the math classes are lame, but its all about the studios and art seminars. That's what they do best.
    • Re: hi

      Sun, February 13, 2005 - 11:02 AM
      Hi, I'm thinking of leaving CCaC, why do you regret it????
      • Re: hi

        Sun, February 13, 2005 - 1:17 PM
        Well, leaving may have been a bad decision for me but not a bad one for you. Basically, my parents really really really didn't want me to pursue art. They cut me a deal where if I went to a "regular" university, they'd pay for art school afterwards. So after UCLA, I came up here to go to CCAC. But I started feeling really guilty. For the first time in my life, school became hard and it was all because of the guilt I felt. So in my second semester I dropped out figuring that I'd do what they were urging me to do (get a teacher's certification) and sock away enough $ from a job that I could put myself through art school. Then I wouldn't feel guilty because it would be my money and I could make my own decisions with it.

        I regret that decision because I ended up never being able to land a job where I got enough $ to put myself through school. And I ended up getting busier and busier with putting food on the table. I got more conflicted about my art, to the point where I have a real creative block now. And CCAC has changed. I would have preferred to have taken classes at the Oakland campus but most of the classes I'd be taking now are in SF. And I'm not sure that the school has as deep a commitment to the arts AND the crafts after this name change business. So even if I somehow get enough $ or financial aid to go back to CCA(C), I've missed that time and how I would have interacted with the institution at that age.
        • Aloha!

          Mon, February 14, 2005 - 9:01 PM
          Go back to art school anyway. Unless you're one of the trust-fund kids, you are going to be poor. Get used to it. Learn how to get by. If you have some success post graduation you may not be poor forever, but don't forget while art is priceless artists are a dime a dozen. :) Don't get me wrong, I want to go back to school to paint! Art is my love.
          I considered leaving kakak too during my fourth year, but in the end I was happy that I stuck it out. I was an architecture major, which is a pretty demanding workload, and my only employment at the time was work study in the modelshop. Money to survive was my main issue at the time, and even though I had a partial scholarship by then I was really burnt out. Living on student loans in VERY hard. But such is the reality of being a student.
          I also didn't have a very high opinion of some key faculty, or some of our projects, but in retrospect my education was much better than I realized at the time. I graduated in Dec. 1996, matriculating in 1991. After working in the field I think CCAC was as good as some very big name schools.
          Now that I've been an architect for 10 years and licensed for 3 I am dying to go back to school for an MFA. I must have really intellectual discussion and critique!
          I guess you have to pay ten of thousands of dollars to get the really good verbal abuse. :))
          • Re: Aloha!

            Mon, February 14, 2005 - 9:06 PM
            > Unless you're one of the trust-fund kids, you are going to be poor.

            I'm poor now. It's just a question of whether I can get enough aid to survive, as you said. I need to fill out the FAFSA and investigate whether it's even possible to go back. If not, I'll try to take the odd night class here and there and pick up things from books.

            Good luck going back for your MFA!
        • Re: hi

          Mon, February 28, 2005 - 4:03 PM
          Welp, if you want to go back, go back with a fresh perspective of what you could learn now, forget about the past. Have no regrets as the decision you made back then had reason and rhyme. Besides, you are a different person now. If ya wanna do it, do it! Lifes a struggle no matter what realm. Money shouldn't stand in the way of artistic integrity. apply for financial aide-see what happens...
      • Re: hi

        Sun, February 13, 2005 - 4:54 PM
        its funny, ive met several people who want to leave lately. it just isnt working for them.

        ah well.
        • Aloha!

          Mon, February 14, 2005 - 9:12 PM
          I don't think the school is for everyone. But not everyone needs the same environment. After the end of my first year of architecture studios, a little more than half of the students left the program, and maybe 3/4 of those left the school.
          c'est la vie.

          -Jesse Valentine
          • Re: Aloha!

            Mon, February 14, 2005 - 10:48 PM
            I just heard about this meeting all the fashion satudents are having a week from friday. Im wondering if all is well int eh fashion department... hmmm
            • Re: Aloha!

              Sat, February 19, 2005 - 12:49 AM
              I wouldn't worry about that departmental meeting. We have them a couple of times a semester just so that the chair of the department can keep us up to date on what's going on in the program. Doesn't your department do that now as well?

              Unless it's a meeting the students themselves have called, then I have no clue.

              Wendy
          • Re: Aloha!

            Sat, February 19, 2005 - 12:47 AM
            >> I don't think the school is for everyone. <<

            No, it isn't, that's for sure. A huge percentage of kids I started with also left after the first or second year.

            I've had a real love/hate relationship with the place myself. If I had been a lot younger, and didn't own a home, etc., etc., I'd have left long ago and gone somewhere else. There just *isn't* any other equivalent program in my field (interior architecture) in the Bay Area, so I've been kind of stuck and just tried to stick it out, taking classes at other schools at times to try to fill in what was missing. It's been a long haul.

            The up side of that is that my program has changed a *lot* since I started, and it's *much* better than it used to be.

            Also, I don't know about the architecture program per se, but I haven't encountered any of the screaming, raving nastiness in critiques recently that used to characterize so many of them. I'll never forget one of my instructors coming into studio one day and screaming at us that he'd been there at 2am that morning, but none of us were, so where were we? And his screaming and swearing in critique... (Do the initials RS mean anything to you <g>?) Or the one who actually expected us in the early days of DFA to figure out ourselves how to do things like draw axonmetrics before we'd even covered them in whatever they called the drafting class at that point - and then would leave the studio for the rest of the period and go lord only knows where that we couldn't even find him to get help (that was GA).

            Wendy
            • Re: Aloha!

              Mon, February 21, 2005 - 3:38 PM
              > There just *isn't* any other equivalent program in my field (interior architecture) in the Bay Area, so I've been kind of stuck and just tried to stick it out, taking classes at other schools at times to try to fill in what was missing

              So what is CCA lacking in this area, in your opinion?
              • Re: Aloha!

                Mon, February 21, 2005 - 8:00 PM
                >> So what is CCA lacking in this area, in your opinion? <<

                Nothing, now that they've made some major program changes. It's now something like the #6 interior design program in the country. They finally figured it out.

                Wendy
                • Re: Aloha!

                  Mon, February 21, 2005 - 8:05 PM
                  I guess I was trying to get at what you found dissatisfying before. I was just curious. It's not an area I know anything about.
            • the rs and ga show

              Wed, March 2, 2005 - 8:39 PM
              I remember an especially unhappy studio taught by then partners with a drill sargent in boot camp mentality. At the first session it was demanded that we all proclaim our love of ARCHITECTURE, or get the fuck out! to paraphrase. :-P
              I am glad interiors is improving.
              When I was there the school closed at midnight. That really pissed us off. Especially since most instructors had unreasonable demands. That was the old SF campus. Last I looked it was Jamba Juice Reg. HQ. :-P
              • Re: the rs and ga show

                Sun, March 6, 2005 - 4:18 AM
                >> I remember an especially unhappy studio taught by then partners with a drill sargent in boot camp mentality. <<

                I'm afraid to say that doesn't sound totally unfamiliar at all, with a handful of instructors.

                I take it by your change of thread title that you know who I was referring to? At least the latter didn't particularly scream. He was just completely indifferent. It's damned annoying trying to learn anything from someone like that.

                When I had him, RS was co-teaching with LG. I couldn't tell you if they were partners or not otherwise, although I think not. That studio was straight from hell, though. Talk about impossible demands - that man absolutely invented the concept, I swear. Who ever heard of doing things like building 11 models in two days, on top of drawings?

                My very first studio (Visual Dynamics) - we're talking my *very* first day in class there, and I hadn't done a thing art-wise since grade school - the instructors walked into the studio, and without even introducing themselves or the course, started in a rather drill sargent-like manner to divide us up into groups and give us a group exercise to do right then. I don't remember the details, but it was virtually impossible since we weren't even allowed to leave to buy materials. I think they limited us to a couple of things anyways, like a tarp and rope. That wasn't even an architecture studio, although the instructor that pissed us off the most was an architect and used to teaching architecture studios.

                We revolted rather quickly, and ultimately, we got things all straightened out and I learned more from those two than I've learned from any other instructors I've had since, but damn, it was brutal at first.

                But RS was the worst, by far. Everyone in the school always knew when he was in the building, because it seemed like he was *always* swearing at someone about something, and could be heard from one end of the building at least halfway to the other. People were always in hysterics after one of his crits. He reduced me to tears on multiple occasions just during *desk crits*.

                One of the hardest things for me was that I didn't have an art background, so I didn't even know the first thing about basic materials or techniques, and none of the instructors were willing to actually discuss them. I'd get materials and supplies lists that read like absolute Greek, or instructions to use such-and-such in a project, without the first bit of instruction in what those things were, let alone how to actually *use* them. They seemed to have the idea that we ought to figure out the basics like that on our own. I don't know if they're still doing that in the core classes or not, but at least they seem to have figured out that it's useful to actually *teach* things like how to use your materials.

                >> Especially since most instructors had unreasonable demands. <<

                I think they've gotten more reasonable, at least in my department, but it was so bad the first couple of years that I got into some really terrible habits that I haven't been really able to break (like too many all-nighters), and it's taken a real toll on my health. The really annoying thing is that I've lost the productivity I used to have in going at things that way right along with it.

                I remember the old campus, as that's where the school was when I first considered going there. The sheer crowding made me decide I didn't want to do it.

                Wendy
  • Re: hi

    Sat, February 19, 2005 - 3:11 PM
    hey i am in school now. film-vid-perf
    i used to be fash. your a make up artist also?

    i could use your services prol
    • Re: hi

      Sat, February 19, 2005 - 6:11 PM
      hah, im no makeup artist, but I'd love to be. i heard something about CCA offering a class in makeup, but i think that was le bull sheeit.
      • Re: hi

        Thu, February 24, 2005 - 7:34 PM
        hi
        im interested when you said pretend math classes..r the math instructors so bad?
        • Re: hi

          Thu, February 24, 2005 - 8:04 PM
          im not taking a math class this semester, but what I hear is that you dont study math so much as study mathmeticians or mathematical principles as they apply to certain types of art.
          • Re: hi

            Sun, March 6, 2005 - 4:25 AM
            >> study... mathematical principles as they apply to certain types of art. <<

            That would be kinda of cool - but I already have an undergrad degree, and postbacccalaureate premed work in math and the sciences, so I've got *real* math eduction. I don't think this sort of thing is a good substitute for the real thing.

            It helps me understand why architecture students graduate from the joint without knowing how to make buildings stand up, though (or at least that's what they used to tell me).

            Wendy
  • Re: hi

    Sun, March 6, 2005 - 7:13 PM
    Hey! This is my first year as a graduate student in Design at CCA and I'm liking it OK so far. My particular program is kind of dumb, but I like the school in general. I'm on the SF campus all the tiiiime.
  • Re: hi

    Tue, May 24, 2005 - 2:28 AM
    Hello Rae!

    I am new here and am hoping to transfer to CCA soon, depending on my financial aid situation. The great thing about CCA is that they let you mix other art courses with your major and this is the main reason why I want to transfer there. Best wishes!
    • Re: hi

      Tue, May 24, 2005 - 6:00 AM
      They not only let you mix things up, but it's *required*. The interdisciplinary courses are a great way to expand your horizons beyond your own discipline, and to learn to bring in other perspectives into your own work.

      Wendy
      • Re: hi

        Sun, March 26, 2006 - 6:59 PM
        I know this is a year later but.....

        since when does CCA (C!!!) have a math requirement?!?!?
        hello art school= no math
        thats why I went
  • _just_make_art_(and crafts)_already_

    Fri, March 31, 2006 - 4:55 PM
    my favorite day at CCaC had to have been that day in 1991 at the old sf campus when we illustration majors took off in the midst of a 3-hour class (masturbatory make_art_like_me_or_else_you_get_a_C instructor)..to walk up the street and go on the Anchor Brewery tour! ahhhloved being an"older student" (yes admissions really called me that wtf~!?) and yay free beer every art student's creative cohort!

    ...and if only I'd spent that admissions money on art supplies instead of this here "useless" bfa...get yer knowledge where you can, just 'cause it costs something, doesn't make it more valuable.

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